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		<title>By: Citta Hari</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/07/the-perennial-philosophy-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-1008</link>
		<dc:creator>Citta Hari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The greatest spiritual accomplishment would be absolute surrender at the lotus feet of Krsna, becoming the ground for him to tread on. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The people who have done so (like the Goswamis and the guru-parampara) are the ones who originally differentiated Gaudiya Vaisnavism from other paths and who consistently point out the supremacy of bhakti and the flaws of other paths. Of course the distinction between them and ordinary sadhakas is that they did so without any tinge of material ego involved; it was their bhava that motivated them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The greatest spiritual accomplishment would be absolute surrender at the lotus feet of Krsna, becoming the ground for him to tread on. </p></blockquote>
<p>The people who have done so (like the Goswamis and the guru-parampara) are the ones who originally differentiated Gaudiya Vaisnavism from other paths and who consistently point out the supremacy of bhakti and the flaws of other paths. Of course the distinction between them and ordinary sadhakas is that they did so without any tinge of material ego involved; it was their bhava that motivated them.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaura-Vijaya</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/07/the-perennial-philosophy-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-1004</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaura-Vijaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, it is better to align with perennialists rather than fundamentalist Christians. In the recent times devotees have aligned more with Christian groups especially on the points of creationism, homosexuality etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, it is better to align with perennialists rather than fundamentalist Christians. In the recent times devotees have aligned more with Christian groups especially on the points of creationism, homosexuality etc.</p>
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		<title>By: prajyumna</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/07/the-perennial-philosophy-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-998</link>
		<dc:creator>prajyumna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Fault finding is a hindrance but my whole point (which I thought was rather non-abrasive) is that the typical Perennialist stance is inaccurate and therefore misleading, and that my saying so was not a fault, but a progression towards a realistic assessment. After all, there are differences, and if we are to navigate in the world and progress spiritually—and try to assist others—we have to use our head.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I see things a little differently. I don&#039;t think that the perennialist stance is &#039;inaccurate.&#039; It is more incomplete, from a GV perspective. 

We have heard the analogy of brahman realization being like the sun rays and that paramatma and bhagavan realizations are happening at a more intimate level within the sun planet, interacting with the sun god. 
Sticking with a geographical analogy, compared to post-modernism, perennialists and GV are at least in the same continent. They just share a different zip code. 

So I feel that GV agrees with perennialist paradigm to the degree that we both agree that spiritual life is related with the &#039;sun.&#039; We just disagree on the *aspect* of the sun we are focussing on. 
So in that sense, both the perennialist paradigm and GV share a common philosophical vocabulary when we are talking about detachment from the material world. It is because we share a very close common vocabulary that a lot of Gaudia Vaishnava acharyas offer many warnings that it might by confusing to distinguish how the two are different.
But in our modern era that is primarily dominated my materialistic nihilism, let us not lose sight to how much they are similar. 
I doubt that perennialists and GVs will differ much in both admitting that our nature is spirit and not the body. Where we differ is more about how we express as the ultimate nature of our spiritual nature. 

GV and perennialist paradigm have more similarities than differnces. Looking at the dominant nihilistic and materialistic philosophies that are dominating many aspects of modern life, it is in the best interest for both GVs and perennialsts to strategically seek common ground to fight a common enemy, materialsim, which is threatening to gobble up both. Let us be aware of the differences, but not lose sight of the larger focus and co-operation needed by engaging in divisive hair-splitting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Fault finding is a hindrance but my whole point (which I thought was rather non-abrasive) is that the typical Perennialist stance is inaccurate and therefore misleading, and that my saying so was not a fault, but a progression towards a realistic assessment. After all, there are differences, and if we are to navigate in the world and progress spiritually—and try to assist others—we have to use our head.
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<p>I see things a little differently. I don&#8217;t think that the perennialist stance is &#8216;inaccurate.&#8217; It is more incomplete, from a GV perspective. </p>
<p>We have heard the analogy of brahman realization being like the sun rays and that paramatma and bhagavan realizations are happening at a more intimate level within the sun planet, interacting with the sun god.<br />
Sticking with a geographical analogy, compared to post-modernism, perennialists and GV are at least in the same continent. They just share a different zip code. </p>
<p>So I feel that GV agrees with perennialist paradigm to the degree that we both agree that spiritual life is related with the &#8216;sun.&#8217; We just disagree on the *aspect* of the sun we are focussing on.<br />
So in that sense, both the perennialist paradigm and GV share a common philosophical vocabulary when we are talking about detachment from the material world. It is because we share a very close common vocabulary that a lot of Gaudia Vaishnava acharyas offer many warnings that it might by confusing to distinguish how the two are different.<br />
But in our modern era that is primarily dominated my materialistic nihilism, let us not lose sight to how much they are similar.<br />
I doubt that perennialists and GVs will differ much in both admitting that our nature is spirit and not the body. Where we differ is more about how we express as the ultimate nature of our spiritual nature. </p>
<p>GV and perennialist paradigm have more similarities than differnces. Looking at the dominant nihilistic and materialistic philosophies that are dominating many aspects of modern life, it is in the best interest for both GVs and perennialsts to strategically seek common ground to fight a common enemy, materialsim, which is threatening to gobble up both. Let us be aware of the differences, but not lose sight of the larger focus and co-operation needed by engaging in divisive hair-splitting.</p>
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		<title>By: prajyumna</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/07/the-perennial-philosophy-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-997</link>
		<dc:creator>prajyumna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuckling and painfully laughing out loud to below comment. So true.

&lt;cite&gt;
Even a small spiritual sect of GV cannot maintain co-operation in this world with say 10,000 people so it is hard to imagine room for zillion personalities having proximity to krsna and knowing each other. &lt;/cite&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuckling and painfully laughing out loud to below comment. So true.</p>
<p><cite><br />
Even a small spiritual sect of GV cannot maintain co-operation in this world with say 10,000 people so it is hard to imagine room for zillion personalities having proximity to krsna and knowing each other. </cite></p>
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		<title>By: prajyumna</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/07/the-perennial-philosophy-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-996</link>
		<dc:creator>prajyumna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, hear to Gaura Vijaya&#039;s comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear to Gaura Vijaya&#8217;s comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Gaura-Vijaya</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/07/the-perennial-philosophy-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-724</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaura-Vijaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another way to think about it is every tradition thinks that their conception of ultimate experience is the best. Even those in jnana marga will acknowledge the path of devotion but they will relegate that dualistic experience to a lesser transcendent experience than the monistic one. 
And  devotees like Prabhupada have said that actually people fall from the brahmajyoti and that experience is not permanent. Do you see the similarity? Everyone sees their path and conception as the best ,and they should feel like that or they won&#039;t be practicing. My point is that it is critical to examine one&#039;s own tradition with the same lens as others and then analysis can be more objective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way to think about it is every tradition thinks that their conception of ultimate experience is the best. Even those in jnana marga will acknowledge the path of devotion but they will relegate that dualistic experience to a lesser transcendent experience than the monistic one.<br />
And  devotees like Prabhupada have said that actually people fall from the brahmajyoti and that experience is not permanent. Do you see the similarity? Everyone sees their path and conception as the best ,and they should feel like that or they won&#8217;t be practicing. My point is that it is critical to examine one&#8217;s own tradition with the same lens as others and then analysis can be more objective.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaura-Vijaya</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/07/the-perennial-philosophy-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-721</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaura-Vijaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point was there has been hardly any cordial exchange on both sides to get anywhere. Devotees do go to places of the monists, yogis to preach but are these people allowed to speak to devotees in our temples. No! So there is a underlying hypocrisy there.
And yes it is like collective karma. You have to pay for others mistakes according to me.For instance, even if you have not contributed to the environmental degradation you need to be more careful now because of the mess others have made. 

I think we have to take responsibility for the damage done by others and rectify their mistakes. It is impossible to dissociate yourself from people who have represented your tradition. That is just my personal opinion and I know most people don&#039;t agree with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point was there has been hardly any cordial exchange on both sides to get anywhere. Devotees do go to places of the monists, yogis to preach but are these people allowed to speak to devotees in our temples. No! So there is a underlying hypocrisy there.<br />
And yes it is like collective karma. You have to pay for others mistakes according to me.For instance, even if you have not contributed to the environmental degradation you need to be more careful now because of the mess others have made. </p>
<p>I think we have to take responsibility for the damage done by others and rectify their mistakes. It is impossible to dissociate yourself from people who have represented your tradition. That is just my personal opinion and I know most people don&#8217;t agree with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nitaisundara</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/07/the-perennial-philosophy-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>Nitaisundara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I meant by that statement is that Gaudiya Vaishnavism acknowledges that there is a path (or paths) to Brahman, to Paramatma, and to various realms of Bhagavan, and there are distinct schools who have these as their spiritual ideal, and we believe they are capable of attaining it. Where perennialism tends to differ in what I think is a more closed-down way, is that they consider the culmination of &lt;em&gt;our&lt;/em&gt; tradition to be &lt;em&gt;their&lt;/em&gt; ideal. Do you see the subtle difference? It becomes dangerous I think when it is then presented as the esoteric unification of all great religions.

I was not speaking in a historical context and frankly I don&#039;t think it is wrong for Vaishnavas to be so opposed to monism if their motives are not self-assertion and they can articulate the philosophy underlying it, such as all the prominent Vaishnava acharyas have done. I know there are those out there who bash monists because of a need for an us-and-them faith boost, but should others have to stay silent on their behalf?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I meant by that statement is that Gaudiya Vaishnavism acknowledges that there is a path (or paths) to Brahman, to Paramatma, and to various realms of Bhagavan, and there are distinct schools who have these as their spiritual ideal, and we believe they are capable of attaining it. Where perennialism tends to differ in what I think is a more closed-down way, is that they consider the culmination of <em>our</em> tradition to be <em>their</em> ideal. Do you see the subtle difference? It becomes dangerous I think when it is then presented as the esoteric unification of all great religions.</p>
<p>I was not speaking in a historical context and frankly I don&#8217;t think it is wrong for Vaishnavas to be so opposed to monism if their motives are not self-assertion and they can articulate the philosophy underlying it, such as all the prominent Vaishnava acharyas have done. I know there are those out there who bash monists because of a need for an us-and-them faith boost, but should others have to stay silent on their behalf?</p>
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		<title>By: Gaura-Vijaya</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/07/the-perennial-philosophy-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaura-Vijaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I agree but I was just addressing Nitaisundara&#039;s point where he says,&quot; &lt;em&gt;perennialists do not seem to respect even the theoretical disagreement of spiritual luminaries. Gaudiya Vedanta, while making a case for being the pinnacle, at least honors some of the other well-reasoned opinions regarding the realms of transcendence.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; I think this comment is inaccurate representation of the history of most of the Vaisnava schools including GV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I agree but I was just addressing Nitaisundara&#8217;s point where he says,&#8221; <em>perennialists do not seem to respect even the theoretical disagreement of spiritual luminaries. Gaudiya Vedanta, while making a case for being the pinnacle, at least honors some of the other well-reasoned opinions regarding the realms of transcendence.&#8221;</em> I think this comment is inaccurate representation of the history of most of the Vaisnava schools including GV.</p>
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		<title>By: swami bv tripurari</title>
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		<dc:creator>swami bv tripurari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the main inspirations for the Harmonist is to address the points you raise, and this would seem obvious to most readers I assume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the main inspirations for the Harmonist is to address the points you raise, and this would seem obvious to most readers I assume.</p>
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