Comments on: Consciousness Revisited http://harmonist.us/2009/10/consciousness-revisited/ Mon, 21 May 2012 20:22:32 +0000 hourly 1 By: KB das http://harmonist.us/2009/10/consciousness-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-6704 KB das Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:50:57 +0000 http://harmonist.us/?p=2967#comment-6704 <blockquote>Gaura-Vijaya says: September 19, 2010 at 1:36 am I don’t know what you mean by electrical engineers war etc. I am a PhD in electrical engineering and I am not that informed about this war.</blockquote> I am not expert. My son is the one with the big brain that studies the "electric universe" theories. He follows all the latest chats and forums where these scientists and their students are carrying out their war to prove the electric universe theory. You can check out these links I found that might get you acquainted with the theory and the people behind it. <a href="http://www.electricuniverse.info/Introduction" rel="nofollow"> www.holoscience.com/ www.electricuniversetheory.com/ http://www.thunderbolts.info/home.htm My son follows this web site and their forum discussion and gets a lot of information from there.

Gaura-Vijaya says:
September 19, 2010 at 1:36 am

I don’t know what you mean by electrical engineers war etc. I am a PhD in electrical engineering and I am not that informed about this war.

I am not expert. My son is the one with the big brain that studies the “electric universe” theories. He follows all the latest chats and forums where these scientists and their students are carrying out their war to prove the electric universe theory.

You can check out these links I found that might get you acquainted with the theory and the people behind it.

http://www.holoscience.com/

http://www.electricuniversetheory.com/

http://www.thunderbolts.info/home.htm
My son follows this web site and their forum discussion and gets a lot of information from there.

]]> By: Gaura-Vijaya http://harmonist.us/2009/10/consciousness-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-6660 Gaura-Vijaya Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:36:28 +0000 http://harmonist.us/?p=2967#comment-6660 I don't know what you mean by electrical engineers war etc. I am a PhD in electrical engineering and I am not that informed about this war. I don’t know what you mean by electrical engineers war etc. I am a PhD in electrical engineering and I am not that informed about this war.

]]> By: Robotmule http://harmonist.us/2009/10/consciousness-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-6658 Robotmule Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:33:44 +0000 http://harmonist.us/?p=2967#comment-6658 It's funny that you mention it because at the Large Hadron Collidor at CERN, Switzerland, they actually have a Lord Siva statue at their main offices. http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/745737/files/na-2004-122_0406040_01.jpg It’s funny that you mention it because at the Large Hadron Collidor at CERN, Switzerland, they actually have a Lord Siva statue at their main offices.

http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/745737/files/na-2004-122_0406040_01.jpg

]]> By: KB das http://harmonist.us/2009/10/consciousness-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-6657 KB das Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:40:18 +0000 http://harmonist.us/?p=2967#comment-6657 The author of the article Dr. L. R. Iyer is an Electrical Engineer. In today's science there is a war going on between the old school science and the Electrical Universe school. The "electric universe" scientists are at war with the old school astronomers and astro-physicists. The electric universe theory is far more scientific than are the astro-physicists who have some not so scientific ideas about how the planets and the universe evolves and functions. This issue of consciousness is a thorn in the side of all these scientists because consciousness is about the only theory left that can explain the origin of matter which these Mathematical physicists like Hawking are grappling with. These scientists are so envious of God that they postulate that matter comes from NOTHING before they would ever admit to the theory of consciousness or the consciousness of God. Modern scientists are so dull from McDonald's Hamburgers that they cannot possibly entertain the theory that matter in fact is a transformation of consciousness effected by the mystic powers of Lord Siva. The author of the article Dr. L. R. Iyer is an Electrical Engineer. In today’s science there is a war going on between the old school science and the Electrical Universe school. The “electric universe” scientists are at war with the old school astronomers and astro-physicists.

The electric universe theory is far more scientific than are the astro-physicists who have some not so scientific ideas about how the planets and the universe evolves and functions.

This issue of consciousness is a thorn in the side of all these scientists because consciousness is about the only theory left that can explain the origin of matter which these Mathematical physicists like Hawking are grappling with.

These scientists are so envious of God that they postulate that matter comes from NOTHING before they would ever admit to the theory of consciousness or the consciousness of God.

Modern scientists are so dull from McDonald’s Hamburgers that they cannot possibly entertain the theory that matter in fact is a transformation of consciousness effected by the mystic powers of Lord Siva.

]]> By: swami bv tripurari http://harmonist.us/2009/10/consciousness-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-6654 swami bv tripurari Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:43:17 +0000 http://harmonist.us/?p=2967#comment-6654 Yes, but the fact of correlation does not weaken the Vedanta theory of everything. Built into the theory is the idea that different bodies and bodily conditions facilitate/inhibit the expression of consciousness in this world. Yes, but the fact of correlation does not weaken the Vedanta theory of everything. Built into the theory is the idea that different bodies and bodily conditions facilitate/inhibit the expression of consciousness in this world.

]]> By: Gaura-Vijaya http://harmonist.us/2009/10/consciousness-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-6653 Gaura-Vijaya Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:33:35 +0000 http://harmonist.us/?p=2967#comment-6653 That is true, and hence the truth about consciousness is undecidable with neither party having a final verdict. However, correlation just strengthen the case of the opposite party. Only revelation can help us break out of this deadlock, unless we explain revelation as a hallucinating trick of the mind, which is many times the case with the rubbish claims people make (like they are Kalki or they are creators of the whole world). A lot of so called revelation may be just hallucinations and genuine mystics with real revelations are very few in number. Otherwise strong correlation really makes the argument of the counter party strong if not foolproof. That is true, and hence the truth about consciousness is undecidable with neither party having a final verdict. However, correlation just strengthen the case of the opposite party. Only revelation can help us break out of this deadlock, unless we explain revelation as a hallucinating trick of the mind, which is many times the case with the rubbish claims people make (like they are Kalki or they are creators of the whole world). A lot of so called revelation may be just hallucinations and genuine mystics with real revelations are very few in number.

Otherwise strong correlation really makes the argument of the counter party strong if not foolproof.

]]> By: swami bv tripurari http://harmonist.us/2009/10/consciousness-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-6651 swami bv tripurari Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:06:48 +0000 http://harmonist.us/?p=2967#comment-6651 "Correlation is not the same as cause," is of course the argument. “Correlation is not the same as cause,” is of course the argument.

]]> By: Gaura-Vijaya http://harmonist.us/2009/10/consciousness-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-6650 Gaura-Vijaya Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:00:16 +0000 http://harmonist.us/?p=2967#comment-6650 I think it is also due to the fact that in cases of Alzheimer disease etc the person loses self-awareness and science is able to identify regions in the brain that cause this loss. So the mapping between many behaviors and brain regions is strong and it has been used a lot in modern psychology (in which cognitive psychology and neuroscience are strongly coupled). Neuroscience influences doctors to prescribe medicines for mental diseases that are based on tampering with chemical composition in the brain. "Anger" is a chemical, anxiety is a "chemical" and so on. In fact, the success of yogic process is also attributed to playing with the chemical secretions in the brain. In most people that includes myself, the bodily identification is so strong that it is hard to separate out consciousness from matter. I think it is also due to the fact that in cases of Alzheimer disease etc the person loses self-awareness and science is able to identify regions in the brain that cause this loss. So the mapping between many behaviors and brain regions is strong and it has been used a lot in modern psychology (in which cognitive psychology and neuroscience are strongly coupled). Neuroscience influences doctors to prescribe medicines for mental diseases that are based on tampering with chemical composition in the brain. “Anger” is a chemical, anxiety is a “chemical” and so on. In fact, the success of yogic process is also attributed to playing with the chemical secretions in the brain. In most people that includes myself, the bodily identification is so strong that it is hard to separate out consciousness from matter.

]]> By: swami bv tripurari http://harmonist.us/2009/10/consciousness-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-6649 swami bv tripurari Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:57:38 +0000 http://harmonist.us/?p=2967#comment-6649 I guess the argument you are making is that it could be said that there is not purely objective third person experiment. There is some truth to that, but overall I think too much has been made of the need for objective validation. We do not live our lives on this basis but rather on the basis of the first person experience that we exist, a truth that is not objectively verifiable as far as I know. I guess the argument you are making is that it could be said that there is not purely objective third person experiment. There is some truth to that, but overall I think too much has been made of the need for objective validation. We do not live our lives on this basis but rather on the basis of the first person experience that we exist, a truth that is not objectively verifiable as far as I know.

]]> By: swami bv tripurari http://harmonist.us/2009/10/consciousness-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-6648 swami bv tripurari Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:18:42 +0000 http://harmonist.us/?p=2967#comment-6648 Yes, but nowadays some think that consciousness is nonetheless merely a trick of the brain, self awareness that is. In this way they reduce it to matter, a process in the brain, and thus in their minds matter remains the fundamental substance out of which a fleeting self awareness arises and into which it dissolves in due course. Yes, but nowadays some think that consciousness is nonetheless merely a trick of the brain, self awareness that is. In this way they reduce it to matter, a process in the brain, and thus in their minds matter remains the fundamental substance out of which a fleeting self awareness arises and into which it dissolves in due course.

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