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		<title>By: Vikram Ramsoondur</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/10/the-literalist/comment-page-1/#comment-2542</link>
		<dc:creator>Vikram Ramsoondur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta Madhya 24.318&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;kṛṣṇa-tulya bhāgavata — vibhu, sarvāśraya
prati-śloke prati-akṣare nānā artha kaya&lt;/em&gt;
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SYNONYMS

kṛṣṇa-tulya bhāgavata — Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is identical with Kṛṣṇa; vibhu — the supreme; sarva-āśraya — the origin of everything, or that which controls everything; prati-śloke — in every verse; prati-akṣare — in every syllable; nānā artha kaya — there are varieties of imports.

TRANSLATION

&quot;Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is as great as Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord and shelter of everything. In each and every verse of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and in each and every syllable, there are various meanings.&quot;


Perhaps this particular sentence uttered by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, the Supreme Lord Himself, whilst instructing Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmīpāda, may cast a fresh light on this debate, and hopefully resolve it to the satisfaction of all concerned. Indeed, when God Himself states that the actual meaning of each sloka is basically multi-layered, this kind of validates Narasingha Maharaja&#039;s position, in the wide spectrum of opinions, as well as affords legitimacy to the methodology propounded by Bhaktivinoda Thakura in a couple of his works.</description>
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<p><strong>Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta Madhya 24.318</strong></p>
<p><strong><em>kṛṣṇa-tulya bhāgavata — vibhu, sarvāśraya<br />
prati-śloke prati-akṣare nānā artha kaya</em><br />
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<p>SYNONYMS</p>
<p>kṛṣṇa-tulya bhāgavata — Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is identical with Kṛṣṇa; vibhu — the supreme; sarva-āśraya — the origin of everything, or that which controls everything; prati-śloke — in every verse; prati-akṣare — in every syllable; nānā artha kaya — there are varieties of imports.</p>
<p>TRANSLATION</p>
<p>&#8220;Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is as great as Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord and shelter of everything. In each and every verse of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and in each and every syllable, there are various meanings.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps this particular sentence uttered by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, the Supreme Lord Himself, whilst instructing Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmīpāda, may cast a fresh light on this debate, and hopefully resolve it to the satisfaction of all concerned. Indeed, when God Himself states that the actual meaning of each sloka is basically multi-layered, this kind of validates Narasingha Maharaja&#8217;s position, in the wide spectrum of opinions, as well as affords legitimacy to the methodology propounded by Bhaktivinoda Thakura in a couple of his works.</p>
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		<title>By: Prue</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/10/the-literalist/comment-page-1/#comment-2537</link>
		<dc:creator>Prue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t leave Swami Narasingha, that would be a great loss for this website. I am very glad you stopped the conversation from degenerating any further and for pointing out that these subjects are just disturbing. 

Maybe only the outspoken people are commenting in such a way on your articles. There are probably alot of silent and thoughtful people who are reticent to say anything in the public forum, but they are listening and benefiting from your opinions and wisdom. Hari Krishna</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t leave Swami Narasingha, that would be a great loss for this website. I am very glad you stopped the conversation from degenerating any further and for pointing out that these subjects are just disturbing. </p>
<p>Maybe only the outspoken people are commenting in such a way on your articles. There are probably alot of silent and thoughtful people who are reticent to say anything in the public forum, but they are listening and benefiting from your opinions and wisdom. Hari Krishna</p>
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		<title>By: Amara dasa</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/10/the-literalist/comment-page-1/#comment-2534</link>
		<dc:creator>Amara dasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dearest Maharaja...I think you are misunderstanding me.  My point was we should not avoid discussing the ugly side or by-products of literalism (i.e., prejudice, intolerance, homophobia, mysogeny, etc.)--not the ugly side of conditioned sexualities.  I agree there is no need or desire to discuss the rude subject matters raised by Steven.

Also, I am not a young man but your old Godbrother.  I remember you fondly when you used to preach here in Hawaii.  Please do not leave this forum on account of me or this apparent misunderstanding!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dearest Maharaja&#8230;I think you are misunderstanding me.  My point was we should not avoid discussing the ugly side or by-products of literalism (i.e., prejudice, intolerance, homophobia, mysogeny, etc.)&#8211;not the ugly side of conditioned sexualities.  I agree there is no need or desire to discuss the rude subject matters raised by Steven.</p>
<p>Also, I am not a young man but your old Godbrother.  I remember you fondly when you used to preach here in Hawaii.  Please do not leave this forum on account of me or this apparent misunderstanding!</p>
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		<title>By: swami bv tripurari</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/10/the-literalist/comment-page-1/#comment-2530</link>
		<dc:creator>swami bv tripurari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that this remark

“But I don’t think we should avoid discussing the ugly side effects of literalism under the plea that we are renounced from them.”

Was made by Amara das not Goura-vijaya das. My mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that this remark</p>
<p>“But I don’t think we should avoid discussing the ugly side effects of literalism under the plea that we are renounced from them.”</p>
<p>Was made by Amara das not Goura-vijaya das. My mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: swami bv tripurari</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/10/the-literalist/comment-page-1/#comment-2528</link>
		<dc:creator>swami bv tripurari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when this remark was made just a short time before his passing. It was not part of a recorded talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when this remark was made just a short time before his passing. It was not part of a recorded talk.</p>
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		<title>By: swami bv tripurari</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/10/the-literalist/comment-page-1/#comment-2527</link>
		<dc:creator>swami bv tripurari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I can see, the remark of Gaura-vijaya you (Maharaja) cited in your last post was made before you asked that we stay on topic, etc. So it seems that he has abided by your sensible request. Nonetheless he has apologized. So I do hope you will forgive him. I am sure that he and many others here value your input. These forums and internet discourse can be misleading, especially when English is not the first language of everyone participating. The spirit and intent of many replies does not always come through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I can see, the remark of Gaura-vijaya you (Maharaja) cited in your last post was made before you asked that we stay on topic, etc. So it seems that he has abided by your sensible request. Nonetheless he has apologized. So I do hope you will forgive him. I am sure that he and many others here value your input. These forums and internet discourse can be misleading, especially when English is not the first language of everyone participating. The spirit and intent of many replies does not always come through.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaura-Vijaya</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/10/the-literalist/comment-page-1/#comment-2526</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaura-Vijaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is very unfortunate Maharaja. This really took away the real discussion with you. I had raised points with you above that were not connected to the anal chakra. I apologize for having offended a sanayasi of your stature. I hope you forgive us and continue to participate in the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is very unfortunate Maharaja. This really took away the real discussion with you. I had raised points with you above that were not connected to the anal chakra. I apologize for having offended a sanayasi of your stature. I hope you forgive us and continue to participate in the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/10/the-literalist/comment-page-1/#comment-2524</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 05:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just wondering if someone can tell me where I can find out more about Srila Sridhara Maharaja&#039;s dream concerning the loss of knowledge of sastra... and taking refuge at the lotus feel of Krishna. Was this something mentioned in a passing personal association, or is it recorded somewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just wondering if someone can tell me where I can find out more about Srila Sridhara Maharaja&#8217;s dream concerning the loss of knowledge of sastra&#8230; and taking refuge at the lotus feel of Krishna. Was this something mentioned in a passing personal association, or is it recorded somewhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Swami Narasingha</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/10/the-literalist/comment-page-1/#comment-2523</link>
		<dc:creator>Swami Narasingha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 05:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But I don’t think we should avoid discussing the ugly side effects of literalism under the plea that we are renounced from them.&quot;

Well young man... I disagree and probably in the same way that some of your members obviously do not like to discuss the &#039;ugly&#039; side of homo sex, sex with animals and molesting children. These things belong in their own space and not in just any space.You obviously do not understand that some humans greatly distaiin such topics. I can think of three of my gurus that did and a host of other Vaishnavas also. What to speak of distain those topics, some of them could not even conveive of such animal behavior among humans, what to speak of discuss such topics in public. Such was their purity and their aloofness.

It seems some people on your forum cannot discuss philosophy without involving the anal-chakra — possibly they are covered tantrics and not really Vaishnavas? In any case, I will take my essays elsewhere in future. When there is no proper understanding of time, place and circumstance then there is little or no progress in any subject. And when culture degrades to the point that we can no longer respect the simple request of a particular sannyasi then where do we go from there?

Opinions are like noses... everyone has one. But the secret is that the longer your nose is around the better it gets and therefore Vaishnava culture does not fly opinions in the face of older Vaishnavas when they have specifically requested not to do so.

So, have it your way and I&#039;ll continue on mine. All for the good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But I don’t think we should avoid discussing the ugly side effects of literalism under the plea that we are renounced from them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well young man&#8230; I disagree and probably in the same way that some of your members obviously do not like to discuss the &#8216;ugly&#8217; side of homo sex, sex with animals and molesting children. These things belong in their own space and not in just any space.You obviously do not understand that some humans greatly distaiin such topics. I can think of three of my gurus that did and a host of other Vaishnavas also. What to speak of distain those topics, some of them could not even conveive of such animal behavior among humans, what to speak of discuss such topics in public. Such was their purity and their aloofness.</p>
<p>It seems some people on your forum cannot discuss philosophy without involving the anal-chakra — possibly they are covered tantrics and not really Vaishnavas? In any case, I will take my essays elsewhere in future. When there is no proper understanding of time, place and circumstance then there is little or no progress in any subject. And when culture degrades to the point that we can no longer respect the simple request of a particular sannyasi then where do we go from there?</p>
<p>Opinions are like noses&#8230; everyone has one. But the secret is that the longer your nose is around the better it gets and therefore Vaishnava culture does not fly opinions in the face of older Vaishnavas when they have specifically requested not to do so.</p>
<p>So, have it your way and I&#8217;ll continue on mine. All for the good.</p>
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		<title>By: Amara dasa</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/10/the-literalist/comment-page-1/#comment-2471</link>
		<dc:creator>Amara dasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting quotes!  Thanks for supplying them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting quotes!  Thanks for supplying them!</p>
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