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		<title>By: Bhaktikanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhaktikanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the pioneers architects of the green movement, William McDonough, actually met with Srila Prabhupada once due to having a devotee brother. In 2004 McDonough co-authored From Cradle to Cradle, an interesting book where he along with a fellow scientist present the concept of commodities which are not only environmentally non impacting, but also add positively to the environment. Their idea is that if a thing is not to generate benefits for the existing environment, it shouldn&#039;t absolutely be manufactured. 

See a bit more here:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.gbca.org.au/news/newsweek-interview-with-william-mcdonough/749.htm &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the pioneers architects of the green movement, William McDonough, actually met with Srila Prabhupada once due to having a devotee brother. In 2004 McDonough co-authored From Cradle to Cradle, an interesting book where he along with a fellow scientist present the concept of commodities which are not only environmentally non impacting, but also add positively to the environment. Their idea is that if a thing is not to generate benefits for the existing environment, it shouldn&#8217;t absolutely be manufactured. </p>
<p>See a bit more here:<br />
<a href="http://" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.gbca.org.au/news/newsweek-interview-with-william-mcdonough/749.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.gbca.org.au/news/newsweek-interview-with-william-mcdonough/749.htm</a> </p>
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		<title>By: KB das</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/12/a-living-building/comment-page-1/#comment-2964</link>
		<dc:creator>KB das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An agrarian Vaishnava settlement in Costa Rica is about the most attractive idea I can think of. Long before Maharaja got involved in the project I had surmised that Costa Rica would be the best place to establish such a settlement in the Western Hemisphere.

Self-sufficient agrarian Vaishnava communities should be established in favorable climates like found in Costa Rica.
Hellish cold climates are no place to develop these agrarian Vaishnava settlements.

Unfortunately, internal strife and political struggle has deprived the movement of great progress in this area. It is really encouraging to see that Tripurari Maharaja has got his priorities in order and moving ahead with such projects as this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An agrarian Vaishnava settlement in Costa Rica is about the most attractive idea I can think of. Long before Maharaja got involved in the project I had surmised that Costa Rica would be the best place to establish such a settlement in the Western Hemisphere.</p>
<p>Self-sufficient agrarian Vaishnava communities should be established in favorable climates like found in Costa Rica.<br />
Hellish cold climates are no place to develop these agrarian Vaishnava settlements.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, internal strife and political struggle has deprived the movement of great progress in this area. It is really encouraging to see that Tripurari Maharaja has got his priorities in order and moving ahead with such projects as this.</p>
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		<title>By: Citta Hari dasa</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/12/a-living-building/comment-page-1/#comment-2962</link>
		<dc:creator>Citta Hari dasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great article but I think it would be good to keep in mind that net-zero buildings are nothing new. Indigenous cultures have been doing it for millenia; more recently we see examples of cobb houses with thatch roofs built in the 1500s still standing today (in perfect shape, with people living in them)all over Britain. Building such a structure requires relatively few types of resources and lots(!) of labor, which in the more communal societal structures of the past was just part of life--everyone in a village helped to build the neighbor&#039;s house, or the whole tribe was involved in building the longhouse. 

Nowadays the net zero idea is novel only because in recent history due to a huge glut of cheap energy (fossil fuels) shamefully wasteful building practices became the norm. People became estranged from the land and lives of labor and along the way lost the skills to build their own homes (among many other essential skills). Cheap materials made possible by fossil fuels made badly sited, poorly designed, highly inefficient boxes that require continuous, huge energy inputs to heat and cool seem like a good idea. Technology became endemic and people forgot how to live without it. Net zero now (especially in the West) means something very different than it used to because we&#039;re so used to our creature comforts we can&#039;t fathom the idea of a &quot;house&quot; without all the bells and whistles that industrial society affords. We need expensive technology and gadgets to make our home &quot;green.&quot; Meanwhile in other parts of the world people are still living comfortably in mud huts.

Unfortunately much of the technology involved in many net-zero projects is not net zero itself. Solar (photovoltaic) components (panels, inverters, batteries, wire, etc.), for example, take rather large amounts of energy to make and are expensive to replace. Also, they may not emit greenhouse gasses at the point of use, but how much pollution took place to make them? 

Of course none of this means that I&#039;m against solar electricity or technology per se, just that the technology has a long way to go if it is to be incorporated into truly sustainable buildings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article but I think it would be good to keep in mind that net-zero buildings are nothing new. Indigenous cultures have been doing it for millenia; more recently we see examples of cobb houses with thatch roofs built in the 1500s still standing today (in perfect shape, with people living in them)all over Britain. Building such a structure requires relatively few types of resources and lots(!) of labor, which in the more communal societal structures of the past was just part of life&#8211;everyone in a village helped to build the neighbor&#8217;s house, or the whole tribe was involved in building the longhouse. </p>
<p>Nowadays the net zero idea is novel only because in recent history due to a huge glut of cheap energy (fossil fuels) shamefully wasteful building practices became the norm. People became estranged from the land and lives of labor and along the way lost the skills to build their own homes (among many other essential skills). Cheap materials made possible by fossil fuels made badly sited, poorly designed, highly inefficient boxes that require continuous, huge energy inputs to heat and cool seem like a good idea. Technology became endemic and people forgot how to live without it. Net zero now (especially in the West) means something very different than it used to because we&#8217;re so used to our creature comforts we can&#8217;t fathom the idea of a &#8220;house&#8221; without all the bells and whistles that industrial society affords. We need expensive technology and gadgets to make our home &#8220;green.&#8221; Meanwhile in other parts of the world people are still living comfortably in mud huts.</p>
<p>Unfortunately much of the technology involved in many net-zero projects is not net zero itself. Solar (photovoltaic) components (panels, inverters, batteries, wire, etc.), for example, take rather large amounts of energy to make and are expensive to replace. Also, they may not emit greenhouse gasses at the point of use, but how much pollution took place to make them? </p>
<p>Of course none of this means that I&#8217;m against solar electricity or technology per se, just that the technology has a long way to go if it is to be incorporated into truly sustainable buildings.</p>
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		<title>By: eden</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/12/a-living-building/comment-page-1/#comment-2957</link>
		<dc:creator>eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To determine whether the cost of creating Living Buildings is a real or perceived barrier, we completed a Living Building Financial Study in the Spring of 2009. It reviewed 9 building types in 4 climate zones... the results were encouraging (not as expensive as one might think!). You can download the information from our website: www.ilbi.org/resources/research/financial-study</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To determine whether the cost of creating Living Buildings is a real or perceived barrier, we completed a Living Building Financial Study in the Spring of 2009. It reviewed 9 building types in 4 climate zones&#8230; the results were encouraging (not as expensive as one might think!). You can download the information from our website: <a href="http://www.ilbi.org/resources/research/financial-study" rel="nofollow">http://www.ilbi.org/resources/research/financial-study</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kula-pavana</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/12/a-living-building/comment-page-1/#comment-2956</link>
		<dc:creator>Kula-pavana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent program, Maharaja... I have heard a lot about it from didi Braja-sundari. It sounds like a project with a very bright future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent program, Maharaja&#8230; I have heard a lot about it from didi Braja-sundari. It sounds like a project with a very bright future.</p>
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		<title>By: swami bv tripurari</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/12/a-living-building/comment-page-1/#comment-2955</link>
		<dc:creator>swami bv tripurari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are Syamasundara and Gaurasundara harvesting our mung dhal crop at Madhuvan (Costa Rica). At the moment we are harvesting about 10kgs twice a week. We live on about 150 very remote mountain jungle acres, where we produce all of our food (grains, vegetable, fruit, milk, sugar, etc.). At present we are developing the monastery, retreat center, and guest cabin, and house parcels. We are powered by micro hydro and solar power. It&#039;s a great life style. 

We will be installing Krsna Balarama deites this weekend! Stop by some time. 

&lt;img src=&quot;http://harmonist.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/picking-mung-dhal.jpg&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are Syamasundara and Gaurasundara harvesting our mung dhal crop at Madhuvan (Costa Rica). At the moment we are harvesting about 10kgs twice a week. We live on about 150 very remote mountain jungle acres, where we produce all of our food (grains, vegetable, fruit, milk, sugar, etc.). At present we are developing the monastery, retreat center, and guest cabin, and house parcels. We are powered by micro hydro and solar power. It&#8217;s a great life style. </p>
<p>We will be installing Krsna Balarama deites this weekend! Stop by some time. </p>
<p><img src="http://harmonist.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/picking-mung-dhal.jpg"/></p>
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		<title>By: Kula-pavana</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/12/a-living-building/comment-page-1/#comment-2954</link>
		<dc:creator>Kula-pavana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KB Prabhu,
If you want to see society pathetically abusive of the environment you should go to India, or just about any other developing country. The environment is US is in excellent shape - I work in that field every day and I see how it is done. It takes money and human awareness to protect the environment and they are both present in this country. Of course plenty of things need further improvement, such as efficient energy use, recycling, and so forth.

The way I see it, our movement failed to live up to the promises of &#039;simple living&#039; because WE - individual devotees - failed in that capacity. Of course the problems with leadership and splintering did not help, but the primary reason is that WE failed. WE devotees do not want to work hard and live a simple life - I see it in myself, I see it in just about any devotee I have met over the years. And those who truly DO want to live a simple life and are not afraid of hard work - they already live such a life, regardless of what &#039;the leaders&#039; do or say. I know such devotees as well and I support them as much as I can.

We have to quit waiting for our &#039;leaders&#039; to show us the way. We have to become the leaders. I know that you are definitely a leadership material... all you have to do is... lead by example... and I do feel the same responsibility on my shoulders as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KB Prabhu,<br />
If you want to see society pathetically abusive of the environment you should go to India, or just about any other developing country. The environment is US is in excellent shape &#8211; I work in that field every day and I see how it is done. It takes money and human awareness to protect the environment and they are both present in this country. Of course plenty of things need further improvement, such as efficient energy use, recycling, and so forth.</p>
<p>The way I see it, our movement failed to live up to the promises of &#8216;simple living&#8217; because WE &#8211; individual devotees &#8211; failed in that capacity. Of course the problems with leadership and splintering did not help, but the primary reason is that WE failed. WE devotees do not want to work hard and live a simple life &#8211; I see it in myself, I see it in just about any devotee I have met over the years. And those who truly DO want to live a simple life and are not afraid of hard work &#8211; they already live such a life, regardless of what &#8216;the leaders&#8217; do or say. I know such devotees as well and I support them as much as I can.</p>
<p>We have to quit waiting for our &#8216;leaders&#8217; to show us the way. We have to become the leaders. I know that you are definitely a leadership material&#8230; all you have to do is&#8230; lead by example&#8230; and I do feel the same responsibility on my shoulders as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Bhaktikanda</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/12/a-living-building/comment-page-1/#comment-2953</link>
		<dc:creator>Bhaktikanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Varnashram? It is the nuclear plant of the Krishna Consciousness Movement. It has been more damaging to this religion than all the politics and intrigue put together. The planet will be safe and sound before varnashram is even considered by sensible people of the world. The Hare Krishna movement&#039;s best bet is to tag itself along with the green movement. People can relate to a realistic plan for better communities. But please don&#039;t bring up social discrimination, misogyny, racism, etc., in short, don&#039;t mention varnashram.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Varnashram? It is the nuclear plant of the Krishna Consciousness Movement. It has been more damaging to this religion than all the politics and intrigue put together. The planet will be safe and sound before varnashram is even considered by sensible people of the world. The Hare Krishna movement&#8217;s best bet is to tag itself along with the green movement. People can relate to a realistic plan for better communities. But please don&#8217;t bring up social discrimination, misogyny, racism, etc., in short, don&#8217;t mention varnashram.</p>
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		<title>By: Kula-pavana</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/12/a-living-building/comment-page-1/#comment-2952</link>
		<dc:creator>Kula-pavana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If &#039;green&#039; buildings end up being extremely expensive, are they really &#039;green&#039; (as in environmentally responsible, not green as the color of money)? How much environment needs to be destroyed so that you can afford to build such an expensive house? Since the economic activity usually happens to involve damage to the environment, the cost of the building corresponds to such damage. These expensive buildings are about as green as Al Gore and other prominent pseudo-environmentalists, whose personal carbon footprint is the size of Rhode Island. The most environmentally responsible practical house is a simple log cabin - where the biggest element of cost is your own labor. If anyone wants to build such a cabin nearby, I offer to donate trees from my private forest. I made Anyway, the offer still stands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If &#8216;green&#8217; buildings end up being extremely expensive, are they really &#8216;green&#8217; (as in environmentally responsible, not green as the color of money)? How much environment needs to be destroyed so that you can afford to build such an expensive house? Since the economic activity usually happens to involve damage to the environment, the cost of the building corresponds to such damage. These expensive buildings are about as green as Al Gore and other prominent pseudo-environmentalists, whose personal carbon footprint is the size of Rhode Island. The most environmentally responsible practical house is a simple log cabin &#8211; where the biggest element of cost is your own labor. If anyone wants to build such a cabin nearby, I offer to donate trees from my private forest. I made Anyway, the offer still stands.</p>
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		<title>By: KB das</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2009/12/a-living-building/comment-page-1/#comment-2951</link>
		<dc:creator>KB das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modern American civilization is pathetically abusive of the environment and greedy to live a higher standard of living than the planet can sustain for any reasonable duration. All around us we see people living lavishly in palatial opulence as if we live on a heavenly planet with an unlimited supply of natural resources.

Originally, the Krishna consciousness movement was about living together communally and moving towards agrarian villages and self-sufficiency. Most all that got stymied in the break-down of the movement that occurred after the passing of Srila Prabhupada. 

Even though the greater movement is now splintered into so many sects and camps, the devotees of the world need to understand how vital it is that the devotees of the KC movement come together in local and regional settlements for constructing a model of society that can show the greatness of Vaishnava civilization as an example to the world.

Around our Alachua, Florida area there is said to be over a thousand devotees living in the area mostly all making their livelihoods in the secular society because the KC movement has failed to develop rural agrarian settlements that can accommodate and employ Vaishnavas. 

This is indeed one of the great failures of the KC movement that happened as a result of splintering of the KC movement and the moving of Srila Prabhupada to the perimeter. Now, the society he started has floundered due to mismanagement and personal ambition on the part of the leadership.

However, outside the framework of such a defunct institution, the devotees of the KC movement need to continue on Srila Prabhupada&#039;s vision of agrarian, self-sufficient communities that employ basic Varnasrama principles, which of course requires a King.

Who will be King?
It&#039;s a lousy job but somebody has to do it, so I volunteer for the job.
Well, I don&#039;t have the money to be King, but there are some wealthy Vaishnavas out there that might be able to establish their own kingdom. All they need is a brahminical council to authorize and ordain them and then they can all rule their kingdoms under the rule of the Monarch Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.

See, it&#039;s not all that difficult. 

The GBC authority lost all validity at the passing of Srila Prabhupada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modern American civilization is pathetically abusive of the environment and greedy to live a higher standard of living than the planet can sustain for any reasonable duration. All around us we see people living lavishly in palatial opulence as if we live on a heavenly planet with an unlimited supply of natural resources.</p>
<p>Originally, the Krishna consciousness movement was about living together communally and moving towards agrarian villages and self-sufficiency. Most all that got stymied in the break-down of the movement that occurred after the passing of Srila Prabhupada. </p>
<p>Even though the greater movement is now splintered into so many sects and camps, the devotees of the world need to understand how vital it is that the devotees of the KC movement come together in local and regional settlements for constructing a model of society that can show the greatness of Vaishnava civilization as an example to the world.</p>
<p>Around our Alachua, Florida area there is said to be over a thousand devotees living in the area mostly all making their livelihoods in the secular society because the KC movement has failed to develop rural agrarian settlements that can accommodate and employ Vaishnavas. </p>
<p>This is indeed one of the great failures of the KC movement that happened as a result of splintering of the KC movement and the moving of Srila Prabhupada to the perimeter. Now, the society he started has floundered due to mismanagement and personal ambition on the part of the leadership.</p>
<p>However, outside the framework of such a defunct institution, the devotees of the KC movement need to continue on Srila Prabhupada&#8217;s vision of agrarian, self-sufficient communities that employ basic Varnasrama principles, which of course requires a King.</p>
<p>Who will be King?<br />
It&#8217;s a lousy job but somebody has to do it, so I volunteer for the job.<br />
Well, I don&#8217;t have the money to be King, but there are some wealthy Vaishnavas out there that might be able to establish their own kingdom. All they need is a brahminical council to authorize and ordain them and then they can all rule their kingdoms under the rule of the Monarch Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.</p>
<p>See, it&#8217;s not all that difficult. </p>
<p>The GBC authority lost all validity at the passing of Srila Prabhupada.</p>
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