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		<title>By: Prema-bhakti</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2010/03/from-mine-ness-to-mamata/comment-page-1/#comment-4053</link>
		<dc:creator>Prema-bhakti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 18:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for adding your wonderful comments Babhru. I agree this topic is exciting as well as inspiring and essential. Please keep the discussion going with an article of your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for adding your wonderful comments Babhru. I agree this topic is exciting as well as inspiring and essential. Please keep the discussion going with an article of your own.</p>
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		<title>By: swami bv tripurari</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2010/03/from-mine-ness-to-mamata/comment-page-1/#comment-4033</link>
		<dc:creator>swami bv tripurari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 01:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Babhru. I agree with you. Please write the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Babhru. I agree with you. Please write the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Babhru</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2010/03/from-mine-ness-to-mamata/comment-page-1/#comment-4032</link>
		<dc:creator>Babhru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 00:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, as Prema and I discussed in personal correspondence, Visvanatha’s assertion of the primacy of devotion to the guru in &lt;i&gt;Sarartha-darshini&lt;/i&gt;, his commentary on &lt;i&gt;Srimad-Bhagavatam&lt;/i&gt;. This is from his commentary on SB 4.28.34. The verse describes the intense devotion Vaidarbhi, the wife of King Malayadhvaja, felt for her husband. We see that Visvanatha uses the verse to analogize such devotion to the sense of complete trust (&lt;i&gt;visrambha&lt;/i&gt;) that should characterize our devotion to the spiritual master.

And this devotion to the guru is absolutely essential to spiritual progress. Krishna das Kaviraja says in &lt;i&gt;Sri Chaitanya-charitamrita&lt;/i&gt; that the spiritual master is “the active principle in spiritual life.” The Bengali word Srila Prabhupada gives as “active principle” here is sara. Another way to understand this word is essence, or essential principle. Consequently, we can see that surrender to the guru is the essence of spiritual life, and failure to do so means we completely miss the point of spiritual endeavor, which renders our attempts at progress useless. Srila Jiva Goswami says in &lt;i&gt;Bhakti Sandarbha &lt;/i&gt;that satisfying the guru is the main cause of attaining divine love and service. Srila Prabhupada sometimes summed up the science of Krishna consciousness in six words: I am Krishna’s; he is mine. &lt;i&gt;Visrambhena guroh seva &lt;/i&gt;implies that spiritual progress depends on having the same sentiment for the guru.

This topic is so exciting that I may have to write an article on it. I don’t think I can even do justice to provoking more discussion in a comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, as Prema and I discussed in personal correspondence, Visvanatha’s assertion of the primacy of devotion to the guru in <i>Sarartha-darshini</i>, his commentary on <i>Srimad-Bhagavatam</i>. This is from his commentary on SB 4.28.34. The verse describes the intense devotion Vaidarbhi, the wife of King Malayadhvaja, felt for her husband. We see that Visvanatha uses the verse to analogize such devotion to the sense of complete trust (<i>visrambha</i>) that should characterize our devotion to the spiritual master.</p>
<p>And this devotion to the guru is absolutely essential to spiritual progress. Krishna das Kaviraja says in <i>Sri Chaitanya-charitamrita</i> that the spiritual master is “the active principle in spiritual life.” The Bengali word Srila Prabhupada gives as “active principle” here is sara. Another way to understand this word is essence, or essential principle. Consequently, we can see that surrender to the guru is the essence of spiritual life, and failure to do so means we completely miss the point of spiritual endeavor, which renders our attempts at progress useless. Srila Jiva Goswami says in <i>Bhakti Sandarbha </i>that satisfying the guru is the main cause of attaining divine love and service. Srila Prabhupada sometimes summed up the science of Krishna consciousness in six words: I am Krishna’s; he is mine. <i>Visrambhena guroh seva </i>implies that spiritual progress depends on having the same sentiment for the guru.</p>
<p>This topic is so exciting that I may have to write an article on it. I don’t think I can even do justice to provoking more discussion in a comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 03:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. Thank you, Prema.</description>
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		<title>By: Prema-bhakti</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2010/03/from-mine-ness-to-mamata/comment-page-1/#comment-3929</link>
		<dc:creator>Prema-bhakti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hladini, thank for responding to my link to the article on Facebook. I am glad it brought you back into the loop. There are so many wonderful articles on the Harmonist to read and share. I hope to see you comment here more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hladini, thank for responding to my link to the article on Facebook. I am glad it brought you back into the loop. There are so many wonderful articles on the Harmonist to read and share. I hope to see you comment here more often.</p>
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		<title>By: Hladini Shakti Das</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hladini Shakti Das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article is wonderful!  Did you say it is a maiden-voyage outing. Bravo! Let there be more, and more, and more. 

As a parent of three, I especially liked your narration of the instance when at the moment of distressed concern for your son&#039;s safety you called out his name with absolutely no considerations of time, place, circumstance, or mundane propriety. Loving parents can all relate to that unbreakable paternal affection and its spontaneous expression, whether elicited by the gust of untoward events, or by the flow of sweet occurances, as the case may be.

Reading through the comments was also enriching. Thanks for catching me up in the loop. I will bring others to this site to read your article, and I will read it again myself, because it deserves re-reading. And again, thank you.

Your humble servant,
Hladini Shakti das</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is wonderful!  Did you say it is a maiden-voyage outing. Bravo! Let there be more, and more, and more. </p>
<p>As a parent of three, I especially liked your narration of the instance when at the moment of distressed concern for your son&#8217;s safety you called out his name with absolutely no considerations of time, place, circumstance, or mundane propriety. Loving parents can all relate to that unbreakable paternal affection and its spontaneous expression, whether elicited by the gust of untoward events, or by the flow of sweet occurances, as the case may be.</p>
<p>Reading through the comments was also enriching. Thanks for catching me up in the loop. I will bring others to this site to read your article, and I will read it again myself, because it deserves re-reading. And again, thank you.</p>
<p>Your humble servant,<br />
Hladini Shakti das</p>
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		<title>By: Prema-bhakti</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2010/03/from-mine-ness-to-mamata/comment-page-1/#comment-3927</link>
		<dc:creator>Prema-bhakti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to view these statements of Sri Jiva and VCT not so much as a de-emphasis of the power of nava laksana bhakti but an emphasis on the great power of guru bhakti.  One could also say that although one may have the good fortune of association of a sad guru one may still miss this point. Sri Jiva writes that this understanding of the power of guru bhakti is “supremely confidential.” It seems that these verses are speaking of a very deep devotion to guru. 

Another nice point by Sri Jiva is the idea that guru bhakti is arguably greater than Krsna bhakti because it is so immensely pleasing to Krsna. He provides Krsna&#039;s own words to elucidate this point‚ “The worship of My devotee exceeds the worship of Me.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to view these statements of Sri Jiva and VCT not so much as a de-emphasis of the power of nava laksana bhakti but an emphasis on the great power of guru bhakti.  One could also say that although one may have the good fortune of association of a sad guru one may still miss this point. Sri Jiva writes that this understanding of the power of guru bhakti is “supremely confidential.” It seems that these verses are speaking of a very deep devotion to guru. </p>
<p>Another nice point by Sri Jiva is the idea that guru bhakti is arguably greater than Krsna bhakti because it is so immensely pleasing to Krsna. He provides Krsna&#8217;s own words to elucidate this point‚ “The worship of My devotee exceeds the worship of Me.”</p>
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		<title>By: Citta Hari dasa</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2010/03/from-mine-ness-to-mamata/comment-page-1/#comment-3921</link>
		<dc:creator>Citta Hari dasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice article Prema! This is such an important point that I couldn&#039;t resist further comment on it. We sometimes see that there are devotees who appear to be absorbed in bhakti, e.g., they are perhaps born in devotional families, are expert in things favorable to devotion like kirtana and whose whole social lives are with devotees as well. Those lacking in sambandha-jnana would likely see such people as &quot;great devotees;&quot; after all, one can&#039;t do kirtana day and night and not be one, right? But if we look closer in many cases we&#039;ll see that those who look so absorbed in bhakti miss the most important thing, i.e., finding and surrendering to a sat guru. The practices take precedence for them and they don&#039;t realize that one can do the practices of bhakti for eons and not attain prema if one does them without the grace and guidance of a qualified sadhu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice article Prema! This is such an important point that I couldn&#8217;t resist further comment on it. We sometimes see that there are devotees who appear to be absorbed in bhakti, e.g., they are perhaps born in devotional families, are expert in things favorable to devotion like kirtana and whose whole social lives are with devotees as well. Those lacking in sambandha-jnana would likely see such people as &#8220;great devotees;&#8221; after all, one can&#8217;t do kirtana day and night and not be one, right? But if we look closer in many cases we&#8217;ll see that those who look so absorbed in bhakti miss the most important thing, i.e., finding and surrendering to a sat guru. The practices take precedence for them and they don&#8217;t realize that one can do the practices of bhakti for eons and not attain prema if one does them without the grace and guidance of a qualified sadhu.</p>
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		<title>By: Prema-bhakti</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2010/03/from-mine-ness-to-mamata/comment-page-1/#comment-3913</link>
		<dc:creator>Prema-bhakti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for bringing this out. Yes, VCT comes right out and says this in Madhurya Kadambini. He uses the analogy of the devoted and chaste wife who while absorbed in the service of her husband may ignore even her own children. He writes, “Similarly, a disciple who is deeply absorbed in the service of the guru may even ignore practices such as hearing and chanting, knowing that by guru seva alone he can easily attain complete perfection in devotion.”

In writing this piece, I became well aware that any ability I have to express faith in this principle and to feel such prospect in the face of my shortcomings is a result of my good fortune to have the guidance of a sad guru. I feel the most essential line in the whole piece is, “Bhakti adherents’ worldly sense of mine-ness will fade gradually as they tread the path under the guidance of a sad guru.” I would hope for the readers and especially for myself as the author that these sentiments expressed would inspire one to become more grateful of their good fortune and thus apply one self more vigorously to the principle of guru pada asraya. For sincere spiritual seekers who don’t have such fortune, I would hope for them to become more inspired to seek it out as an essential principle to their progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for bringing this out. Yes, VCT comes right out and says this in Madhurya Kadambini. He uses the analogy of the devoted and chaste wife who while absorbed in the service of her husband may ignore even her own children. He writes, “Similarly, a disciple who is deeply absorbed in the service of the guru may even ignore practices such as hearing and chanting, knowing that by guru seva alone he can easily attain complete perfection in devotion.”</p>
<p>In writing this piece, I became well aware that any ability I have to express faith in this principle and to feel such prospect in the face of my shortcomings is a result of my good fortune to have the guidance of a sad guru. I feel the most essential line in the whole piece is, “Bhakti adherents’ worldly sense of mine-ness will fade gradually as they tread the path under the guidance of a sad guru.” I would hope for the readers and especially for myself as the author that these sentiments expressed would inspire one to become more grateful of their good fortune and thus apply one self more vigorously to the principle of guru pada asraya. For sincere spiritual seekers who don’t have such fortune, I would hope for them to become more inspired to seek it out as an essential principle to their progress.</p>
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		<title>By: swami bv tripurari</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2010/03/from-mine-ness-to-mamata/comment-page-1/#comment-3911</link>
		<dc:creator>swami bv tripurari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The understanding of the guru disciple relationship you write about leans in the direction of what Sri Jiva Goswami has alluded to in Bhakti-sandarbha. His idea is that guru bhakti, which is ordinarily a limb of Krsna bhakti, is sometimes made the body of one&#039;s bhakti turning Krsna bhakti into its limb. And engaging exclusively in such guru bhakti at the cost of engaging in the other limbs of Krsna bhakti, such as hearing and chantng, is sufficient in and of itself to give prema. I believe that Sri Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura comes right out and says this in his Madhurya Kadambini.

This is an important point for a number of reasons. One of which that comes to mind is that if properly understood it shatters the misconception that the guru is nothing more than an information board who gives instructions and that bhakti is a process that one can take up without much if any emphasis on the guru. In my experience, it is all about guru kripa. Without this grace there is no hope, and one who has the power to benedict is not an ordinary person or devotee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The understanding of the guru disciple relationship you write about leans in the direction of what Sri Jiva Goswami has alluded to in Bhakti-sandarbha. His idea is that guru bhakti, which is ordinarily a limb of Krsna bhakti, is sometimes made the body of one&#8217;s bhakti turning Krsna bhakti into its limb. And engaging exclusively in such guru bhakti at the cost of engaging in the other limbs of Krsna bhakti, such as hearing and chantng, is sufficient in and of itself to give prema. I believe that Sri Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura comes right out and says this in his Madhurya Kadambini.</p>
<p>This is an important point for a number of reasons. One of which that comes to mind is that if properly understood it shatters the misconception that the guru is nothing more than an information board who gives instructions and that bhakti is a process that one can take up without much if any emphasis on the guru. In my experience, it is all about guru kripa. Without this grace there is no hope, and one who has the power to benedict is not an ordinary person or devotee.</p>
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