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		<title>By: Madan-Gopal-Das</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2010/03/sanga-single-minded-devotion/comment-page-1/#comment-3950</link>
		<dc:creator>Madan-Gopal-Das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Maharaj, dandavat pranams.

Thank you for this helpful answer. 

&quot;Coincidentaly&quot; my Guru Maharaj yestereday again spoke on Dhruva Maharaj to me. Guru Maharaj explained why Mahaprabhu played the pastimes of hearing the Holy biographies of Dhruva and Prahlad Maharaj hundreds of times from Gadadhar Pandit Goswami in Puri, and yet He wanted to hear again and again, unlimited times, although it is true that He appeared to taste and distribute to all the highest Krishna-prem of the Vrajavasis and Srimati Radharani in particular. Because we are conditioned souls and we are blaming others for our own suffering, out of ignorance, not understanding that we are reaping the fruits of our own actions and that others are only instrumental not the cause of our sufferings. Fruits of our actions are given by Supreme Lord. So unless we give up all hostile mentality to anyone (Suniti Mata explained this to Dhruva Maharaj) we cannot progress in bhakti, Krishna will not be satisfied. Dhruva accepted the teachings of his mother and gave up all anger to his step-mother and went to the forest calling out Kaha Padma-palash-lochan Sri Hari (Where is my Lotus-eyed Sri Hari) and he was protected from any danger in the forest (wild animals) by Supreme Lord and all (father, step-mother etc.) started weeping for him in the palace, repenting their actions and became favourable to him, even though Dhruva didn&#039;t request them to do so. Then Guru Maharaj also explained how Dhruva forgot all desires for kingdom, after directly seeing Supreme Lord Narayan. All these lessons we can learn from the biography of Dhruva Maharaj and we should also act on them, then we can make further progress in Krishna bhakti.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Maharaj, dandavat pranams.</p>
<p>Thank you for this helpful answer. </p>
<p>&#8220;Coincidentaly&#8221; my Guru Maharaj yestereday again spoke on Dhruva Maharaj to me. Guru Maharaj explained why Mahaprabhu played the pastimes of hearing the Holy biographies of Dhruva and Prahlad Maharaj hundreds of times from Gadadhar Pandit Goswami in Puri, and yet He wanted to hear again and again, unlimited times, although it is true that He appeared to taste and distribute to all the highest Krishna-prem of the Vrajavasis and Srimati Radharani in particular. Because we are conditioned souls and we are blaming others for our own suffering, out of ignorance, not understanding that we are reaping the fruits of our own actions and that others are only instrumental not the cause of our sufferings. Fruits of our actions are given by Supreme Lord. So unless we give up all hostile mentality to anyone (Suniti Mata explained this to Dhruva Maharaj) we cannot progress in bhakti, Krishna will not be satisfied. Dhruva accepted the teachings of his mother and gave up all anger to his step-mother and went to the forest calling out Kaha Padma-palash-lochan Sri Hari (Where is my Lotus-eyed Sri Hari) and he was protected from any danger in the forest (wild animals) by Supreme Lord and all (father, step-mother etc.) started weeping for him in the palace, repenting their actions and became favourable to him, even though Dhruva didn&#8217;t request them to do so. Then Guru Maharaj also explained how Dhruva forgot all desires for kingdom, after directly seeing Supreme Lord Narayan. All these lessons we can learn from the biography of Dhruva Maharaj and we should also act on them, then we can make further progress in Krishna bhakti.</p>
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		<title>By: swami bv tripurari</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2010/03/sanga-single-minded-devotion/comment-page-1/#comment-3945</link>
		<dc:creator>swami bv tripurari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry. I seem to have overlooked your question. I think you are trying to fit a paradigmatic person from the Bhagavatam into a Gaudiya idea of spiritual progress and it&#039;s not the best fit. Such devotees are cited to teach us particular lessons and their actual position in terms of spiritual attainment if often difficult to access. Dhruva&#039;s story is quite remarkable and there is much to be learned from his determination, etc. Aside for this most famous narrative, the other narratives you refer to teach other lessons. So Dhruva is one of our teachers. Although I have not read any commentaries on his spiritual attainment other than Srila Prabhupada&#039;s, I would go with your Guru Maharaja&#039;s opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry. I seem to have overlooked your question. I think you are trying to fit a paradigmatic person from the Bhagavatam into a Gaudiya idea of spiritual progress and it&#8217;s not the best fit. Such devotees are cited to teach us particular lessons and their actual position in terms of spiritual attainment if often difficult to access. Dhruva&#8217;s story is quite remarkable and there is much to be learned from his determination, etc. Aside for this most famous narrative, the other narratives you refer to teach other lessons. So Dhruva is one of our teachers. Although I have not read any commentaries on his spiritual attainment other than Srila Prabhupada&#8217;s, I would go with your Guru Maharaja&#8217;s opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Madan-Gopal-Das</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madan-Gopal-Das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Srila Tripurari Maharaj, dandavat pranams. Did you see the above post with my question (in case of overlooking... otherwise please forgive me for disturbing).

ys, Mgd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Srila Tripurari Maharaj, dandavat pranams. Did you see the above post with my question (in case of overlooking&#8230; otherwise please forgive me for disturbing).</p>
<p>ys, Mgd</p>
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		<title>By: Madan-Gopal-Das</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2010/03/sanga-single-minded-devotion/comment-page-1/#comment-3899</link>
		<dc:creator>Madan-Gopal-Das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Srila Tripurari Maharaj, dandavat pranams. Thank you for such a nice Sanga. By seeing your answer to KB Das above, I also got a question if you would be so kind to answer it. 

When after penance Dhruva directly saw Narayan, what was his stage of bhakti that he achieved at that time? Was it nishta (fixation of mind to the object of worship) by loosing or subduing all other interests (anartha nivriti) and he had to further progress through his Narayan ordered dutiful kingly life (in which it appears he had 1. a problem (when Yaksasas used &quot;black magic visions&quot; and he had to be adviced by the munis to use the Holy Name of Narayan) and also 2. apparent mistake (cruelty for killing too much Yaksasas for which Svayambhuva Manu had to ultimately advice him to ask for forgiveness from Sri Kuver) or was it bhava (jivan mukti / svarup siddhi) and he just had to play, on the desire of compassionate Narayan, a dutiful kingly life to teach others by example (acharya lila), also by apparently having problems and commiting mistakes, just to show by example how to solve problems and how to correct mistakes and also to give opportunity for others to gain bhakti sukriti by coming in contact with him? Or are both options possible to be said, as a preaching strategy, to inspire us to worship God and His devotees? When I asked my Gurudev why Dhruva even after attaining darshan of Narayan again became angry and commited mistakes, Gurudev answered me that Dhruva was doing his duty as king and he was very powerful and ultimately not an ordinary person. By this answer I got a feeling that he didn&#039;t do any mistakes or had any problems, but only played acharya-lila. Is it a Vaishnav offence or trying to find excuses for my own drawbacks if I take the first option to be also valid (Dhruva attained nishta), at least as a preaching strategy or self-inspiration? I understood his going to Dhruvalok as attainment of videha mukti / vastu siddhi (if we see him as sadhan-siddha, otherwise he just played this attainment if we see him as nitya-siddha). I hope I didn&#039;t take too much of your time.

ys, Mgd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Srila Tripurari Maharaj, dandavat pranams. Thank you for such a nice Sanga. By seeing your answer to KB Das above, I also got a question if you would be so kind to answer it. </p>
<p>When after penance Dhruva directly saw Narayan, what was his stage of bhakti that he achieved at that time? Was it nishta (fixation of mind to the object of worship) by loosing or subduing all other interests (anartha nivriti) and he had to further progress through his Narayan ordered dutiful kingly life (in which it appears he had 1. a problem (when Yaksasas used &#8220;black magic visions&#8221; and he had to be adviced by the munis to use the Holy Name of Narayan) and also 2. apparent mistake (cruelty for killing too much Yaksasas for which Svayambhuva Manu had to ultimately advice him to ask for forgiveness from Sri Kuver) or was it bhava (jivan mukti / svarup siddhi) and he just had to play, on the desire of compassionate Narayan, a dutiful kingly life to teach others by example (acharya lila), also by apparently having problems and commiting mistakes, just to show by example how to solve problems and how to correct mistakes and also to give opportunity for others to gain bhakti sukriti by coming in contact with him? Or are both options possible to be said, as a preaching strategy, to inspire us to worship God and His devotees? When I asked my Gurudev why Dhruva even after attaining darshan of Narayan again became angry and commited mistakes, Gurudev answered me that Dhruva was doing his duty as king and he was very powerful and ultimately not an ordinary person. By this answer I got a feeling that he didn&#8217;t do any mistakes or had any problems, but only played acharya-lila. Is it a Vaishnav offence or trying to find excuses for my own drawbacks if I take the first option to be also valid (Dhruva attained nishta), at least as a preaching strategy or self-inspiration? I understood his going to Dhruvalok as attainment of videha mukti / vastu siddhi (if we see him as sadhan-siddha, otherwise he just played this attainment if we see him as nitya-siddha). I hope I didn&#8217;t take too much of your time.</p>
<p>ys, Mgd</p>
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		<title>By: swami bv tripurari</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2010/03/sanga-single-minded-devotion/comment-page-1/#comment-3897</link>
		<dc:creator>swami bv tripurari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You misread the paragraph you take exception to. Sri Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura&#039;s comment refers to the practitioner&#039;s body in this world. The devotee&#039;s sadhaka deha become fully spiritualized. As mentioned in the article, the Thakura supports his contention with reference to Srimad Bhagavatam and Sri Krsna&#039;s instruction to Uddhava. Jnana is sattvic, not transcendental. Whereas bhakti is transcendental. That is why the jnani who attains the stage of a jivan mukta still witnesses his or her prarabdha karma, waiting for it to exhaust itself. Thus any knowledgeable jnani will admit that the jivan mukta&#039;s body is not completely free from material qualities. The devotee on the other hand attains liberation (jivan mukti) at the stage of bhava. Still by Krsna&#039;s arrangement he or she remains in the world to cultivate prema in a practitioner&#039;s body that is free from material qualities being wholly under the influence of Krsnas svarupa sakti rather than his maya sakti, as in the case of the jnani.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You misread the paragraph you take exception to. Sri Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura&#8217;s comment refers to the practitioner&#8217;s body in this world. The devotee&#8217;s sadhaka deha become fully spiritualized. As mentioned in the article, the Thakura supports his contention with reference to Srimad Bhagavatam and Sri Krsna&#8217;s instruction to Uddhava. Jnana is sattvic, not transcendental. Whereas bhakti is transcendental. That is why the jnani who attains the stage of a jivan mukta still witnesses his or her prarabdha karma, waiting for it to exhaust itself. Thus any knowledgeable jnani will admit that the jivan mukta&#8217;s body is not completely free from material qualities. The devotee on the other hand attains liberation (jivan mukti) at the stage of bhava. Still by Krsna&#8217;s arrangement he or she remains in the world to cultivate prema in a practitioner&#8217;s body that is free from material qualities being wholly under the influence of Krsnas svarupa sakti rather than his maya sakti, as in the case of the jnani.</p>
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		<title>By: KB das</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2010/03/sanga-single-minded-devotion/comment-page-1/#comment-3895</link>
		<dc:creator>KB das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article was very nice with lots of love and devotion, but the last paragraph has a couple of points in there that I am not so sure about. 
The article states: &quot;According to Visvanatha Cakravarti, other than the devotee, no one — not the jnani, yogi, or any other transcendentalist’s body—is completely free from material qualities.&quot;

That is not actually precisely correct as Lord Sadasiva has his realm of Mahesha Dhama that is a transcendental realm beyond the material universes across the Viraja. Lord Hiranyagarbha Brahma from which all Brahmas are evolved is also transcendental and has a vast spiritual world surrounding Maha-Vishnuloka.
The spiritual realms of Lord Siva and Lord Hiranyagarbha Brahma are vast spiritual realms surrounding the relative center of our infinity in Maha-Vishnu - who is a plenary expansion of Maha-Sankarsana.
There certainly are spiritual realms where Lord Siva and Hiranyagarbha Brahma preside as the Godhead of the spheres and their devotees have spiritual bodies.
The Hiranyagarbha Brahma is the original Brahma who is also Vishnu-tattva and he has his own spiritual realm and devotees who become Brahmas in the evolutionary universes.

The myth that only the Krishna or Vishnu devotees have spiritual forms is not actually true. But, if you remember that Lord Sadasiva is a form of Krishna and Hiranyagarbha is a form of Vishnu, then I guess we could agree.

It&#039;s time for the Hare Krishna&#039;s to join the greater community of spiritual beings and stop thinking they have a monopoly on eternal spiritual life. They don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article was very nice with lots of love and devotion, but the last paragraph has a couple of points in there that I am not so sure about.<br />
The article states: &#8220;According to Visvanatha Cakravarti, other than the devotee, no one — not the jnani, yogi, or any other transcendentalist’s body—is completely free from material qualities.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is not actually precisely correct as Lord Sadasiva has his realm of Mahesha Dhama that is a transcendental realm beyond the material universes across the Viraja. Lord Hiranyagarbha Brahma from which all Brahmas are evolved is also transcendental and has a vast spiritual world surrounding Maha-Vishnuloka.<br />
The spiritual realms of Lord Siva and Lord Hiranyagarbha Brahma are vast spiritual realms surrounding the relative center of our infinity in Maha-Vishnu &#8211; who is a plenary expansion of Maha-Sankarsana.<br />
There certainly are spiritual realms where Lord Siva and Hiranyagarbha Brahma preside as the Godhead of the spheres and their devotees have spiritual bodies.<br />
The Hiranyagarbha Brahma is the original Brahma who is also Vishnu-tattva and he has his own spiritual realm and devotees who become Brahmas in the evolutionary universes.</p>
<p>The myth that only the Krishna or Vishnu devotees have spiritual forms is not actually true. But, if you remember that Lord Sadasiva is a form of Krishna and Hiranyagarbha is a form of Vishnu, then I guess we could agree.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time for the Hare Krishna&#8217;s to join the greater community of spiritual beings and stop thinking they have a monopoly on eternal spiritual life. They don&#8217;t.</p>
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