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	<title>Comments on: Does Analytic Thinking Erode Religious Belief?</title>
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		<title>By: Lalasamayi Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2012/06/does-analytic-thinking-erode-religious-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-13009</link>
		<dc:creator>Lalasamayi Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 16:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I confess I only scanned this one, but the gist to me is that our world society has promulgated the notion that science, analytic thinking, reason, and so forth are fact, are &quot;serious&quot; subjects; while metaphysical subjects, God, spirituality, religion, and so forth are in the realm of &quot;hocus pocus&quot; because they cannot be proven materially. And even though a truly religious Canadian/whatever nationality person is still, on immediate impulse, patterned to follow group think, albeit un/subconsciously (and I speak of consciously here only in the usual sense). They (we) are conditioned from birth to follow societal norms. These are typically young, intelligent students who, for whatever reason (and there are, I believe, two viable ones mentioned) default to that mode. 
It&#039;s an interesting, if sad, commentary on the prejudicial nature of our LACK of grounding in true reality in our Age of Kali-yuga.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I confess I only scanned this one, but the gist to me is that our world society has promulgated the notion that science, analytic thinking, reason, and so forth are fact, are &#8220;serious&#8221; subjects; while metaphysical subjects, God, spirituality, religion, and so forth are in the realm of &#8220;hocus pocus&#8221; because they cannot be proven materially. And even though a truly religious Canadian/whatever nationality person is still, on immediate impulse, patterned to follow group think, albeit un/subconsciously (and I speak of consciously here only in the usual sense). They (we) are conditioned from birth to follow societal norms. These are typically young, intelligent students who, for whatever reason (and there are, I believe, two viable ones mentioned) default to that mode.<br />
It&#8217;s an interesting, if sad, commentary on the prejudicial nature of our LACK of grounding in true reality in our Age of Kali-yuga.</p>
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		<title>By: Ishan das</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2012/06/does-analytic-thinking-erode-religious-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-12919</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishan das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 01:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the encouragement.  I feel myself as a dwarf on this site which is visited by so many intellectual giants.  But now and then I get inspired to toot my horn.  Hare Krishna, Prabhu!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the encouragement.  I feel myself as a dwarf on this site which is visited by so many intellectual giants.  But now and then I get inspired to toot my horn.  Hare Krishna, Prabhu!</p>
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		<title>By: Ananda Gopal das</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2012/06/does-analytic-thinking-erode-religious-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-12901</link>
		<dc:creator>Ananda Gopal das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In recent forays into the explanation of love from the perspective of neuroscience, I am left to conclude that the state or conditioning of the brain itself is a result of the influence of karma.  I then met a neuroscientist a few weeks ago who was attending a workshop to experience a non-ordinary state of reality through holotropic breathing.  I stated to her that I see life as fundamentally faith-based and that we are essentially always engaged in the process of &quot;fishing for faith&quot; (I did not say in what).  She responded by saying that she was not fishing for faith and her &#039;experience&#039; as she described it seemed to be the darkest of all.  Her perspective prevented her from seeing the forest for the trees.

This article does a fantastic job of showing how modern studies are couched in language that is misleading and faulty. It is definitely on the agenda of the global elite to promote secular humanism / atheism as being the superior to religion and mysticism.  

If analytic thinking erodes religious belief, the jiva was already lacking in real faith, which is not actually belief.  Real faith lives and breaths and is constantly renewed.  Belief is static and non-adaptive, which is why analytic thinking could actually erode it.  Asking somebody what they believe is a trick question, because to believe is to not actually know.  Belief is unnecessary if one knows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In recent forays into the explanation of love from the perspective of neuroscience, I am left to conclude that the state or conditioning of the brain itself is a result of the influence of karma.  I then met a neuroscientist a few weeks ago who was attending a workshop to experience a non-ordinary state of reality through holotropic breathing.  I stated to her that I see life as fundamentally faith-based and that we are essentially always engaged in the process of &#8220;fishing for faith&#8221; (I did not say in what).  She responded by saying that she was not fishing for faith and her &#8216;experience&#8217; as she described it seemed to be the darkest of all.  Her perspective prevented her from seeing the forest for the trees.</p>
<p>This article does a fantastic job of showing how modern studies are couched in language that is misleading and faulty. It is definitely on the agenda of the global elite to promote secular humanism / atheism as being the superior to religion and mysticism.  </p>
<p>If analytic thinking erodes religious belief, the jiva was already lacking in real faith, which is not actually belief.  Real faith lives and breaths and is constantly renewed.  Belief is static and non-adaptive, which is why analytic thinking could actually erode it.  Asking somebody what they believe is a trick question, because to believe is to not actually know.  Belief is unnecessary if one knows.</p>
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		<title>By: Ananda Gopal das</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2012/06/does-analytic-thinking-erode-religious-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-12899</link>
		<dc:creator>Ananda Gopal das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a nice summary, Ishan das.  Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a nice summary, Ishan das.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: swami bv tripurari</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2012/06/does-analytic-thinking-erode-religious-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-12315</link>
		<dc:creator>swami bv tripurari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 02:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately many who read don&#039;t understand it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately many who read don&#8217;t understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: College Man</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2012/06/does-analytic-thinking-erode-religious-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-12313</link>
		<dc:creator>College Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 02:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Bhagavatam describes that reading material that does not glorify the name and deeds of Krishna to be a place of pilgrimage for crow-like men. It is refuse or simply garbage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bhagavatam describes that reading material that does not glorify the name and deeds of Krishna to be a place of pilgrimage for crow-like men. It is refuse or simply garbage.</p>
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		<title>By: Ishan das</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2012/06/does-analytic-thinking-erode-religious-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-12303</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishan das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 16:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the photo of the gorilla is there to depict the atheistic scientist as he/she may appear in a future birth, as a reward for trying to prove that their thinking capacity will remove them from the arena of God-consciousness. 

Even though smoking causes lung cancer the Camel smoker is quoted as saying he would rather fight than switch.  

Simlarly, the so-called scientist is saying she would rather take birth as a gorilla before agreeing to engage the mind in the subject of Srimad Bhagawatam.

Srila Prabhupada tells the story of the donkey who has fallen into the stool pit.  The donkey is up to his neck in stool, but he is very much attracted to eating the green grass that is growing at the edge of the pit.  so when someone puts a rope around him and tries to pull him from the pit, the donkey digs in his heels in resistance, for fear that he will loose the chance to eat that grass.  

In the same way the atheist scientist holds fast to his so-called freedom of analytical thinking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the photo of the gorilla is there to depict the atheistic scientist as he/she may appear in a future birth, as a reward for trying to prove that their thinking capacity will remove them from the arena of God-consciousness. </p>
<p>Even though smoking causes lung cancer the Camel smoker is quoted as saying he would rather fight than switch.  </p>
<p>Simlarly, the so-called scientist is saying she would rather take birth as a gorilla before agreeing to engage the mind in the subject of Srimad Bhagawatam.</p>
<p>Srila Prabhupada tells the story of the donkey who has fallen into the stool pit.  The donkey is up to his neck in stool, but he is very much attracted to eating the green grass that is growing at the edge of the pit.  so when someone puts a rope around him and tries to pull him from the pit, the donkey digs in his heels in resistance, for fear that he will loose the chance to eat that grass.  </p>
<p>In the same way the atheist scientist holds fast to his so-called freedom of analytical thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Ishan das</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2012/06/does-analytic-thinking-erode-religious-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-12302</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishan das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Maharaj Parikshit asked Sukadev Goswami what subject matter one should hear about if one was about to die.  Srila Prabhupada said that Parikshit Maharaj kenw he had 7 days before death would come, but that death could come to us at any moment. 

Srila Vyasadeva begins Srimad Bhagawatam by engaging in analytical thinking. In the very first sloka he points out that the Absolute Truth has the characteristic of being the Source from which everything emanates.  Also, that the material creation is a subordinate energy of that Truth.  Also, that even the demigods are under the illusory sway of the inferior energy of the Absolute Truth.  And most significantly, that that Absolute Truth has appeared on our planet earth as the son of Vasudev and Devaki.

Srila Vyasadev continues delivering the analytical context by making a most significant discrimination. Although the subject matter of the Vedas is largely about religiosity (dharma), economic developement (artha), sense gratification (kama) and liberation (moksha), he rejects these orientations, pointing out, as Narada Muni had counseled him, that these goals are for  less intelligent, short-sighted persons, who would neither be satisfied by such persuits, nor freed from the cycle of birth and death.  And therefore Srila Vyasadeva directs us to engage in pure unalloyed devotional service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead.  

Later on in Srimad Bhagavatam, Prahlada Maharaja tells us that this pure devotional service is cultivated thrugh nine forms activity, beginning with hearing and chanting about the Name, Fame, Forms, Qualities, and Pastimes of the the Supreme Lord.

Most of what is commonly referred to as religion on this planet is exactly what Vyasa is rejecting as &quot;cheating religions&quot;, since they side-step the constitutional devotional nature of the soul, and encourage people to approach God with the goal of implicating them more deeply in the realm of material attachment.

Krishna makes similar discriminations in Bhagavad-gita in various ways.  And Srila Rupa Goswami also deliniates the nature of pure devotional service in his Bhaktirasamrita Sindhu.  

All of these literatures encourage us to make fine discriminations by engaging our analytical capacitites.  Regardging the idea that such analytical activity tends to decrease our attraction to spitirual subjects, Maharaja Parikshit is engaged in hearing this material, calmly awaiting his death, and remarks that he is so pleased with the analytic dicsussion that hunger and thirst are not affecting him in the least.

It may very well be that the conclusion reached by the experiments described in the article are simply the contention held by the researcher, viz., that spiritual persuit is for those of lesser brain substance, but that those who can actually think will delete such considerations from their minds.  

Actually the opposite is the truth.  Srimad Bhagavatam asserts that those who have superior brain substance will be attracted to the movement of Lord Chaitanya.  And, simultaneously, addressing the subject of &quot;Eat, Pray, Kill&quot; which is receiving a lot of attention on this site at the moment, Srimad Bhagavatam states that those who eat animals will not be capable of appreciating the analytical discussions presented in that literature.  

In other words such persons are not capable of thinking analytically even as their very lives are depending on it. Certainly they will atempt to engage in analytical thinking, but inevitably their so-called scientific conclusions are dysfunctional, causing them to revolve endlessly in the terrible cycle of birth and death.  Let us pray for the compassion that will motivate us to extend a helping hand to such beings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Maharaj Parikshit asked Sukadev Goswami what subject matter one should hear about if one was about to die.  Srila Prabhupada said that Parikshit Maharaj kenw he had 7 days before death would come, but that death could come to us at any moment. </p>
<p>Srila Vyasadeva begins Srimad Bhagawatam by engaging in analytical thinking. In the very first sloka he points out that the Absolute Truth has the characteristic of being the Source from which everything emanates.  Also, that the material creation is a subordinate energy of that Truth.  Also, that even the demigods are under the illusory sway of the inferior energy of the Absolute Truth.  And most significantly, that that Absolute Truth has appeared on our planet earth as the son of Vasudev and Devaki.</p>
<p>Srila Vyasadev continues delivering the analytical context by making a most significant discrimination. Although the subject matter of the Vedas is largely about religiosity (dharma), economic developement (artha), sense gratification (kama) and liberation (moksha), he rejects these orientations, pointing out, as Narada Muni had counseled him, that these goals are for  less intelligent, short-sighted persons, who would neither be satisfied by such persuits, nor freed from the cycle of birth and death.  And therefore Srila Vyasadeva directs us to engage in pure unalloyed devotional service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead.  </p>
<p>Later on in Srimad Bhagavatam, Prahlada Maharaja tells us that this pure devotional service is cultivated thrugh nine forms activity, beginning with hearing and chanting about the Name, Fame, Forms, Qualities, and Pastimes of the the Supreme Lord.</p>
<p>Most of what is commonly referred to as religion on this planet is exactly what Vyasa is rejecting as &#8220;cheating religions&#8221;, since they side-step the constitutional devotional nature of the soul, and encourage people to approach God with the goal of implicating them more deeply in the realm of material attachment.</p>
<p>Krishna makes similar discriminations in Bhagavad-gita in various ways.  And Srila Rupa Goswami also deliniates the nature of pure devotional service in his Bhaktirasamrita Sindhu.  </p>
<p>All of these literatures encourage us to make fine discriminations by engaging our analytical capacitites.  Regardging the idea that such analytical activity tends to decrease our attraction to spitirual subjects, Maharaja Parikshit is engaged in hearing this material, calmly awaiting his death, and remarks that he is so pleased with the analytic dicsussion that hunger and thirst are not affecting him in the least.</p>
<p>It may very well be that the conclusion reached by the experiments described in the article are simply the contention held by the researcher, viz., that spiritual persuit is for those of lesser brain substance, but that those who can actually think will delete such considerations from their minds.  </p>
<p>Actually the opposite is the truth.  Srimad Bhagavatam asserts that those who have superior brain substance will be attracted to the movement of Lord Chaitanya.  And, simultaneously, addressing the subject of &#8220;Eat, Pray, Kill&#8221; which is receiving a lot of attention on this site at the moment, Srimad Bhagavatam states that those who eat animals will not be capable of appreciating the analytical discussions presented in that literature.  </p>
<p>In other words such persons are not capable of thinking analytically even as their very lives are depending on it. Certainly they will atempt to engage in analytical thinking, but inevitably their so-called scientific conclusions are dysfunctional, causing them to revolve endlessly in the terrible cycle of birth and death.  Let us pray for the compassion that will motivate us to extend a helping hand to such beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Ishan das</title>
		<link>http://harmonist.us/2012/06/does-analytic-thinking-erode-religious-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-12295</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishan das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My speculation is that people who are not very motivated to whole-heartedly take up spiritual life as the only sane way to live, will endlessly come up with &quot;new&quot; subjects to consider. As death can call on any of us at any moment, what is the value of discussions of this nature?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My speculation is that people who are not very motivated to whole-heartedly take up spiritual life as the only sane way to live, will endlessly come up with &#8220;new&#8221; subjects to consider. As death can call on any of us at any moment, what is the value of discussions of this nature?</p>
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